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시작.
- 2012/05/20 00:36
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제작자의 서문:
...This scenario has been specifically designed to practice careful planning, appreciation of terrain and tactical movement by sections within the troop (platoon) using overwatch techniques. It is purposefully balanced in favour of RED to be unforgiving of tactical errors and to drive these lessons home. It is challenging but can be completed with the forces at your disposal....
요약: 존나어렵다.
엠왕소대 하나랑 NZLAV 한소대 주고 BMP-1 / T-72 로 이루어진 레드중대 방어진 잡기
둘다 포병지원 없고 지뢰지대 있을지 모르고...
쫄았지만 탄약정보가 날탄을 KE-WA2 주고 (호주군 설정고증) 적은 이젠 뭐 거의 모든미션에 유니버설한 BM42에 베엠뻬는 AT-3d
할만하구나?
...
지형이 시작부터 클라이막스
어디서 잘 뽑아왔는지 몰라도 FEBA 넘자마자 컨택에 동쪽으로 가는 우회로도 일부 노출되는 케이스
그리고 연막이 없네...
이걸 세션 안하고 솔플로 솔루션 찾을려면 얼마걸리려나 (...)
...This scenario has been specifically designed to practice careful planning, appreciation of terrain and tactical movement by sections within the troop (platoon) using overwatch techniques. It is purposefully balanced in favour of RED to be unforgiving of tactical errors and to drive these lessons home. It is challenging but can be completed with the forces at your disposal....
요약: 존나어렵다.
엠왕소대 하나랑 NZLAV 한소대 주고 BMP-1 / T-72 로 이루어진 레드중대 방어진 잡기
둘다 포병지원 없고 지뢰지대 있을지 모르고...
쫄았지만 탄약정보가 날탄을 KE-WA2 주고 (호주군 설정고증) 적은 이젠 뭐 거의 모든미션에 유니버설한 BM42에 베엠뻬는 AT-3d
할만하구나?
...
지형이 시작부터 클라이막스
어디서 잘 뽑아왔는지 몰라도 FEBA 넘자마자 컨택에 동쪽으로 가는 우회로도 일부 노출되는 케이스
그리고 연막이 없네...
이걸 세션 안하고 솔플로 솔루션 찾을려면 얼마걸리려나 (...)
- 2012/03/25 02:27
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몇년전 탱넷스레에서 냉전 유럽에 계셨던 전직 미 전투공병 "thekirk" 씨의 글
(다리 폭파에 관한 이야기 도중)
thekirk:
You could probably come up with an equation, one where your two variables were time to prepare, and the amount of explosives required. More time, less explosives. Less time, more explosives. About the only way you're going to perform an impromptu demolition on a major bridge structure is via a nuclear blast, and/or something damn close, in terms of energies released.
We did a little "challenge" station during an ARTEP, one year: You were supposed to figure out how to take down a fairly major bridge over a German river, using the minimum amount of explosives. The Major running the site would then grade you on how likely your demolition plan was to work, and so forth. Most guys played it straight, and wound up using job-lots of explosives to take out the bridge. Me? I did a quick recon around the site, and turned in a demo recon calling for less than a hundred pounds of explosives. The Major in question just laughed, looking at the bill of materials, and told me I'd failed the station. At that point, I invited him to look at my target worksheet, and actually look at what I was planning to do with the stuff. After he did, his eyes got a little huge, and he did some rapid calculations, said "Oh, shit...", and then gave me the points for my plan. He also told me to please stop by his office when we got back from the exercise. When I finally got the chance to do so, he took the time to explain to me that A.) use of civilian assets was perfectly permissible, but there were limits, and that B.) those limits included vaporizing a significant chunk of the surrounding city.
Apparently, my utilization of the nearby LNG tank farm to create the mother of all BLEVE (Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion) events was a tad... Mmmmm... What was the word he used? Extreme?
Anyway, he told me that he'd done the calculations, and if I'd successfully achieved the BLEVE, I'd have done the job on the bridge. Along with wiping out a significant chunk of urban Germany, and probably starting the nuclear phase of the war a bit early--The blast might have been big enough to trigger seismographs in Soviet headquarters, and make them think we'd started using nukes.
Shortly after, someone higher in the chain of command made it a policy that we had to have our demo plans reviewed, before actually putting them into effect.
Chris Werb:
Although you may not have access to one at the time there are ships carrying thousands of tons of LPG and ammonium nitrate going up and down the major rivers and canals all the time. I've sailed on my in law's ship, the Anita, Brugge, carrying 440 tonnes of ammonium nitrate.
thekirk:
LOL... Chris, as a matter of fact, I did. There were three barges tied up on the docks within about 150-200 meters from the LNG tank farm. One with ammonia tanks, and two with ammonium nitrate. I didn't mention those out of desire not to put any ideas into people's heads, but since you let the cat out of the bag, kinda...
Let's just put it this way: Had everything gone the way I wanted it to, with the blast I had planned, the yield would have been in the low megaton range. Which was what, I think, scared the hell out the Major.
My going to him later with a plan to take some of those bridges on the Rhein down via the mechanism of appropriated barges with massive charges of ANFO on board didn't help. I figured that if we had to take the bridges out, and they didn't want to use the nukes, well... Borrow a couple of river barges filled with ammonium nitrate, dump a few thousand gallons of fuel into them, and then float the little darlings under the near-shore span and detonate 'em. Again, that foundered on the collateral damage issue, and our inability to plan for taking over civilian assets. I still don't understand the thought process: We were going to do more damage over the long haul if we had to use the nukes to take those bridges down, and nobody cared about getting the civilians out of the way, for those, but using the river barge full of ANFO, we did? Still doesn't make sense. Maybe the ROE was different, between the two, and I just wasn't cleared to know that.
My theory was that as a Combat Engineer, it was my job to take advantage of whatever natural resources and/or materials I could find, and if staging what amounted to an industrial accident would get my mission accomplished, then that was better than using Army assets--Those should be reserved for things that needed to be done in locations where you couldn't implement anything else.
Looking back on it, it's probably for the best we never did stage WWIII in the FRG. I think I might have personally set back German-American relations by several decades, if we had. God knows, the best investment you could have made in Central Europe after the war would have been in concrete plants.
번역은 나중에 하긴 할 예정. 언제 글수정할지 미지수 잇힝
...왠지 됴군이 보고 소재로 써먹을까봐 두렵다.
(다리 폭파에 관한 이야기 도중)
thekirk:
You could probably come up with an equation, one where your two variables were time to prepare, and the amount of explosives required. More time, less explosives. Less time, more explosives. About the only way you're going to perform an impromptu demolition on a major bridge structure is via a nuclear blast, and/or something damn close, in terms of energies released.
We did a little "challenge" station during an ARTEP, one year: You were supposed to figure out how to take down a fairly major bridge over a German river, using the minimum amount of explosives. The Major running the site would then grade you on how likely your demolition plan was to work, and so forth. Most guys played it straight, and wound up using job-lots of explosives to take out the bridge. Me? I did a quick recon around the site, and turned in a demo recon calling for less than a hundred pounds of explosives. The Major in question just laughed, looking at the bill of materials, and told me I'd failed the station. At that point, I invited him to look at my target worksheet, and actually look at what I was planning to do with the stuff. After he did, his eyes got a little huge, and he did some rapid calculations, said "Oh, shit...", and then gave me the points for my plan. He also told me to please stop by his office when we got back from the exercise. When I finally got the chance to do so, he took the time to explain to me that A.) use of civilian assets was perfectly permissible, but there were limits, and that B.) those limits included vaporizing a significant chunk of the surrounding city.
Apparently, my utilization of the nearby LNG tank farm to create the mother of all BLEVE (Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion) events was a tad... Mmmmm... What was the word he used? Extreme?
Anyway, he told me that he'd done the calculations, and if I'd successfully achieved the BLEVE, I'd have done the job on the bridge. Along with wiping out a significant chunk of urban Germany, and probably starting the nuclear phase of the war a bit early--The blast might have been big enough to trigger seismographs in Soviet headquarters, and make them think we'd started using nukes.
Shortly after, someone higher in the chain of command made it a policy that we had to have our demo plans reviewed, before actually putting them into effect.
Chris Werb:
Although you may not have access to one at the time there are ships carrying thousands of tons of LPG and ammonium nitrate going up and down the major rivers and canals all the time. I've sailed on my in law's ship, the Anita, Brugge, carrying 440 tonnes of ammonium nitrate.
thekirk:
LOL... Chris, as a matter of fact, I did. There were three barges tied up on the docks within about 150-200 meters from the LNG tank farm. One with ammonia tanks, and two with ammonium nitrate. I didn't mention those out of desire not to put any ideas into people's heads, but since you let the cat out of the bag, kinda...
Let's just put it this way: Had everything gone the way I wanted it to, with the blast I had planned, the yield would have been in the low megaton range. Which was what, I think, scared the hell out the Major.
My going to him later with a plan to take some of those bridges on the Rhein down via the mechanism of appropriated barges with massive charges of ANFO on board didn't help. I figured that if we had to take the bridges out, and they didn't want to use the nukes, well... Borrow a couple of river barges filled with ammonium nitrate, dump a few thousand gallons of fuel into them, and then float the little darlings under the near-shore span and detonate 'em. Again, that foundered on the collateral damage issue, and our inability to plan for taking over civilian assets. I still don't understand the thought process: We were going to do more damage over the long haul if we had to use the nukes to take those bridges down, and nobody cared about getting the civilians out of the way, for those, but using the river barge full of ANFO, we did? Still doesn't make sense. Maybe the ROE was different, between the two, and I just wasn't cleared to know that.
My theory was that as a Combat Engineer, it was my job to take advantage of whatever natural resources and/or materials I could find, and if staging what amounted to an industrial accident would get my mission accomplished, then that was better than using Army assets--Those should be reserved for things that needed to be done in locations where you couldn't implement anything else.
Looking back on it, it's probably for the best we never did stage WWIII in the FRG. I think I might have personally set back German-American relations by several decades, if we had. God knows, the best investment you could have made in Central Europe after the war would have been in concrete plants.
번역은 나중에 하긴 할 예정. 언제 글수정할지 미지수 잇힝
...왠지 됴군이 보고 소재로 써먹을까봐 두렵다.
- 2012/03/24 08:02
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슷비포럼에서 펌. 역시 jartsev 란 분 글.
포스트1:
포스트1:
Ok... Lead on T-80B/BV, T-80U and T-90(build in 1990s) is dynamic just like on EMES15.
FCS of T-80U and T-90 is capable to make corrections not only for target angular speed/tracking rate; its also can predict speed and make corrections for incoming and outgoing targets- by double lasing.
Tracking rates are acquired from tachogenerator on turret ring(not from traverse drives or gunners control handles, like on western tanks).
떼팔공 B/BV/U, 떼구공(90년대 모델) 들은 EMES 15 (레오2 계열 GPS) 와 같이 다이나믹 리드를 쓴다.
떼팔공U와 떼구공의 사통은 더블 레이징을 통해 타겟에 대한 추적속도 (포수가 타겟을 추적하며 터렛이 움직이는 속도) 뿐만 아니라 다가오고 멀어지는 타겟의 속도를 측정하고 사격제원을 보정할수 있다.
추적속도는 터렛링에 있는 타코제네레이터 (뇌입원 검색 왈: 회전에 의해 발전된 전압을 제어쪽에 피드백 시켜주는 장치) 로부터 얻어진다. (서방 전차들은 포수 손잡이나 터렛 회전 드라이브에서 얻는다)
포스트2:
Prescribed sequence is to lase, select proper laser return(1 of 3), steadily track target for 1-2 second , pull trigger button and hold it till round is fired. If target is incoming or outgoing- lase 1st time, track target for 2-4 seconds(but no more than 5 seconds), make 2nd lase and in no more than 5 next seconds fire the gun- FCS will predict speed of the target. Also keep in mind that this is in fact upgrade of late 60s-early 70s tech.
...
I have 1st volume of T-90S operating manual plus some manuals and textbooks for russian equivalent of ROTC.
(교전시퀀스)
규정에 따르면 레이즈를 하고, 적절한 레이저 리턴값을 고르고 (셋중 하나), 타겟을 1-2초 동안 추적, 탄이 발사될때까지 트리거 당기기 이다.
타겟이 가까워지거나 멀어지고있다면 - 첫 레이즈를 한 후, 타겟을 2-4초 동안 추적 (하지만 5초를 초과하지 말것), 두번째 레이즈를 하고 그 이후 5초 이내에 사격 - 사통이 타겟의 속도를 계산해서 포를 조정할 것이다.
또한 이것이 사실상 60후반 - 70초반의 기술을 업그레이드 한 정도라는것을 염두에 두자.
...
(이분은) T-90S 운용매뉴얼 첫째권과 러시아판 ROTC 교과서 몇개를 가지고 있다.
FCS of T-80U and T-90 is capable to make corrections not only for target angular speed/tracking rate; its also can predict speed and make corrections for incoming and outgoing targets- by double lasing.
Tracking rates are acquired from tachogenerator on turret ring(not from traverse drives or gunners control handles, like on western tanks).
떼팔공 B/BV/U, 떼구공(90년대 모델) 들은 EMES 15 (레오2 계열 GPS) 와 같이 다이나믹 리드를 쓴다.
떼팔공U와 떼구공의 사통은 더블 레이징을 통해 타겟에 대한 추적속도 (포수가 타겟을 추적하며 터렛이 움직이는 속도) 뿐만 아니라 다가오고 멀어지는 타겟의 속도를 측정하고 사격제원을 보정할수 있다.
추적속도는 터렛링에 있는 타코제네레이터 (뇌입원 검색 왈: 회전에 의해 발전된 전압을 제어쪽에 피드백 시켜주는 장치) 로부터 얻어진다. (서방 전차들은 포수 손잡이나 터렛 회전 드라이브에서 얻는다)
포스트2:
Prescribed sequence is to lase, select proper laser return(1 of 3), steadily track target for 1-2 second , pull trigger button and hold it till round is fired. If target is incoming or outgoing- lase 1st time, track target for 2-4 seconds(but no more than 5 seconds), make 2nd lase and in no more than 5 next seconds fire the gun- FCS will predict speed of the target. Also keep in mind that this is in fact upgrade of late 60s-early 70s tech.
...
I have 1st volume of T-90S operating manual plus some manuals and textbooks for russian equivalent of ROTC.
(교전시퀀스)
규정에 따르면 레이즈를 하고, 적절한 레이저 리턴값을 고르고 (셋중 하나), 타겟을 1-2초 동안 추적, 탄이 발사될때까지 트리거 당기기 이다.
타겟이 가까워지거나 멀어지고있다면 - 첫 레이즈를 한 후, 타겟을 2-4초 동안 추적 (하지만 5초를 초과하지 말것), 두번째 레이즈를 하고 그 이후 5초 이내에 사격 - 사통이 타겟의 속도를 계산해서 포를 조정할 것이다.
또한 이것이 사실상 60후반 - 70초반의 기술을 업그레이드 한 정도라는것을 염두에 두자.
...
(이분은) T-90S 운용매뉴얼 첫째권과 러시아판 ROTC 교과서 몇개를 가지고 있다.
- 2012/02/06 00:18
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다미안90 이랑 밀리타리스타 라는 두 폴스키 스토킹중 ㅡㅡ)
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이 햏자들의 전차장갑 LOS두께 구하는 작업의 근성/실력이라던가
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